This is a very interesting episode, not even because of the main topic. What is interesting is how Marc Andreessen explains how economy of cancel culture works (making the point of sponsorship=censorship from the other side, Cc bitpunk.fm)

Also there's interesting look at the phases of fear of any new technology and how it played out through history.

https://fountain.fm/episode/NcUH0H5AjPqifCXhni27